Our guest on today’s show is none other than Dr. Christopher Perrin from Classical Academic Press! Dr. Perrin is an author, consultant and speaker, who specializes in classical education. He is committed to the national renewal of the liberal arts tradition. Dr. Perrin serves as a consultant to charter, public, private, and Christian schools across the country and he has published numerous articles and lectures that are widely used throughout the United States and the English-speaking world.

In today’s episode, Mystie and Brandy ask Dr. Perrin to help us balance a tension that we all feel in our homeschools. If we expect scholé to be restful — even effortless — how do we develop virtues like diligence and perseverance? If you want to go deep with the concept of scholé, this conversation is for you!

There seems to be a tension between the restful scholé we need and the virtues of perseverance and diligence we want. How do we balance the two?


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  • Brandy!! I heard you talking about how your broke down the “Our Father” for your children to help them understand it better along with using it as a guide for their own prayers. Is this something you came up with on your own and would you mind sharing it? I would really appreciate the guidance 🙂 Thanks!

    • Sure! I definitely didn’t think of it myself — it was mentioned to me a few times when I was in my 20s and studying theology in seminary, but I didn’t start connecting doing this with my children until I had a pastor who modeled it in the pulpit.

      First, I will say that we don’t do all these things on any one day. We started with daily bread because, as little people with many personal concerns, that seemed to be something they understood. 🙂


      Our Father who art in heaven = remember that He is our Father and we are His children

      Hallowed be thy name = focus on holiness — that His name be holy and that we as members of His church keep ourselves holy

      Thy kingdom come = we pray for Him to triumph in His battles, we ask for His return, we might pray here for the lost since we desire the kingdom to come in their hearts

      Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven = we pray for His will to be done, not ours — sometimes we put things that seem confusing here, where perhaps it is hard for us to discern His will, so we pray that it will happen and we don’t try to stop it in ignorance

      Give us this day our daily bread = casting our small cares and needs upon Him

      And forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us = confession of sin, request for forgiveness, request for help in forgiving others

      And lead us not into temptation, But deliver us from evil = prayers for moral/spiritual protection for ourselves and others, prayers for deliverance out of serious trials and protection during them

      For thine is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever = praise and reveling in Him, His kingdom, the beauty of His will, etc.

  • Finally got to listen! Loved it! I needed this today, with a sick baby, I had to stay home from church and needed the encouragement this podcast gave.

    Once again… I want a sticker!

  • This episode was so good! I recently read a blog post about Mary and Martha and how important it is to keep our eyes on Christ like Mary, WHILE we go about our work as Martha did. It pointed out that it wasn’t Martha’s work itself that was the problem, but rather the state of her heart as she did it. I think that’s exactly what is important here with the discussion of scholé and hard work. We can cultivate that attitude of receptivity as we go about our work. It’s not easy really, but it’s something to work toward. I guess before we can be in that state all the time it’s important to set aside times for leisure in order to learn what it is, how it is to be receptive and open. Like the Sabbath. This just occurred to me – Can you imagine living in a Sabbath-like state of being while working? That’s an idea I think I’ll have to dwell on for awhile….

    • “Can you imagine living in a Sabbath-like state of being while working?” — LISA! I love this. Truly. And I think that perhaps our Lord managed that? Not that He didn’t need *real* rest in the traditional sense, but I imagine Him as so peaceful, no matter how many people were in line for His healing…

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