In today’s episode, Mystie, Pam, and Brandy finish up their conversation about Dorothy Sayers’ essay, The Lost Tools of Learning, which began in Episode 49. In fact, if you haven’t listened to Episode 49, you really should do that first. Anyhow, in this episode the Scholé Sisters discuss and debate the trivium portion of the essay. It’s great fun you won’t want to miss.
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Show Notes:
Scholé Everyday:
- Pam
- Mystie
Middlemarch by George Eliot
- Brandy
- Theology books
- 2018 Retreat: Learning Well with Cindy Rollins
Topical Discussion:
- Pam’s post-GHC coma: GHC = Great Homeschool Conventions
- The Lost Tools of Learning by Dorothy Sayers
- The arts of the Trivium—grammar, dialectic, and rhetoric—are the tools of language
- The arts of the quadrivium—arithmetic, geometry, astronomy, and music—are the tools of mathematics
- Who is Susan Wise Bauer?
- Who is Doug Wilson?
- Association of Classical Christian Schools (ACCS)
The Well-Trained Mind by Susan Wise Bauer
- Logos School
Cassiodorus: “Institutions of Divine and Secular Learning” and “On the Soul” by Cassiodorus
The Great Tradition: Classic Readings on What It Means to Be an Educated Human Being by Richard Gamble
- Who is Piaget?
- SS #49: The Sisters on Sayers — Not the Podcast You Expected
- Who was Aristotle?
- Who was Plato?
Wisdom and Eloquence: A Christian Paradigm for Classical Learning by Robert Littlejohn and Charles T. Evans
Norms and Nobility: A Treatise on Education by David Hicks
Beauty in the Word: Rethinking the Foundations of Education by Stratford Caldecott
Iliad, Odyssey, and Aeneid box set by Homer
- Blog post: How the Arts Were Liberated by Adam Lockridge (Afterthoughts)
The Liberal Arts Tradition: A Philosophy of Christian Classical Education by Ravi Jain and Kevin Clark
- Paideia
- Telos: A telos is an end or purpose, in a fairly constrained sense used by philosophers such as Aristotle
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What theology books??? I love theology! Enjoying a book by Martyn Lloyd-Jones about Biblical doctrine right now.
Ooh! Lloyd-Jones! Good choice!
Right now I’m mostly reading GK Beale’s The Temple and the Church’s Mission.
Can we see a pic of “the tree”?
Hi all, I’m not finished listening to the podcast but I think Cassiodorus comes up with 7 categories for secular learning but he has more than 9 subjects/categories. Cassiodorus has a few extra topics at the end of Institutions Book 1 Divine Learning after his accepted councils (theology), scripture and commentary recommendations. He brings up vocational tools to help with caring for those in need in Chapter 28 & 29 which is a Christian vocation. He mentions writers on gardening (herbs & health), beekeeping, fish farming and raising doves and when considering the placement of a monastery there is the need for clean water nearby and baths for afflictions. He also mentions several Medical writers in chapter 31 (p.165) before the end of Book 1 he mentions the sacrament of the Lord’s Supper and Prayer. His organization suggests that medicine is part of divine learning, perhaps because Jesus healed people during his early ministry? He doesn’t say and these topics seem like an appendix after the many chapters of commentary about commentators. I don’t think they are an after thought [the Introduction p60-63 sees these last chapters as a bridge to book 2].
It’s probably time for me to actually read the introduction. I find it funny that the intro is 1/3 of the book. I hope you all have a great summer.
I would like to see a picture of the tree too!
Sorry this took me so long. The tree image is copyrighted and appears in The Liberal Arts Tradition. However, Adam Lockridge, the man behind the tree, wrote an article for my blog, and gave me permission to use the tree image there. You can click here to see his post.
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I just finished listening to this episode and wanted to add this to your discussion about when Sayers thought Latin study should commence. If you read Sayers’ The Greatest Single Defect of My Own Latin Education, she states that her father began teaching her Latin at the age of 7, and later in the essay suggests that that is a good age to begin: “I am convinced that the age at which I began was the right one. An acquaintance of mine whose boy is just starting life at a grammar school tells me that the boys there do not begin Latin till they are eleven. I am sure that this is too late.”
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I have been catching up on some back episodes that I missed, and I want to thank you so much for doing this series on Sayers! I began homeschooling in the late 90s. I wish this information would have been available then! I was drawn to Charlotte Mason’s philosophies, but totally dismissed Classical Education based on misinformation. Mainly regarding the ages and stages, but there was also no connection to wisdom and virtue at all. What a surprise to uncover the truth years later!
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